Rihanna, Brown Grammy no-shows after assault arrest
By Alexandra Heilbron on February 9, 2009 | 17 Comments
Chris Brown, 19, and girlfriend Rihanna, 20, did not show up at the Grammys, despite being nominees and scheduled performers. Brown and Rihanna were apparently in a car together at approximately 12:30 a.m. and got into an argument, according to Los Angeles Police. Brown stopped the car, the two got out, and the argument escalated. A witness called 911, but when officers arrived, Brown had fled the scene. Rihanna had visible bruises on her face and identified Brown as her attacker. Brown turned himself in to police at around 6:30 p.m. accompanied by his lawyer and was booked on suspicion of felony domestic battery and with making criminal threats. He was released after posting $50,000 bail.
OMG! He seemed like such a nice kid…from the media exposure I’ve seen and I thought they made a great couple. I’ve also enjoyed listening to both of these very talented individuals but now, he’s lost a lot of respect from his fans, including me!
i completely agree! what is wrong with the men (and boys??) that live in this world? why would ANYONE think that abuse, of any kind, should be ok?!? i think this is disgusting and people like him should be forced into therapy and anger management classes from the very first complaint. with or without physical evidence. i wonder if anything happened to him to make him this way? technically speaking though, we arent completely sure he hit her…since there isnt any witnesses claiming to have saw him hit her, maybe they were just having a fight and the bruises were from someone/something else and she is just that type of person…i guess we wont know because its not our life, and its not like you can ever trust anyone these days.
did i imply it would make it excusable? clearly, i did not. i was just wondering what the underlying reason is. usually men dont hit women unless they were raised in an abusive home where either they, or their mothers were abused. im saying that if youre raised a specific way, maybe you dont understand that it is not right to do the things you learned while you were growing up. dont try to put words in my mouth, considering i was in an abusive relationship, more than once, i doubt i would have ever applied, OR SAID that i agree that abuse is ok. did you not read my entire post? i clearly stated right here : “i completely agree! what is wrong with the men (and boys??) that live in this world? why would ANYONE think that abuse, of any kind, should be ok?!? i think this is disgusting and people like him should be forced into therapy and anger management classes from the very first complaint. with or without physical evidence.” that i disagree with it. next time, read between the lines and stop trying to make something out of nothing.
sorry i meant IMPLIED not applied
Mandee, I am trying to reconcile your comments to this story with your comments to the story about Kelly Osbourne being charged with assault. Here you are very much against the guy’s actions, yet in the Osbourne case you seemed to understand that Kelly may have been pushed so far that she just blew up and lashed out. (I am not quoting you directly, but I think I have the gist of your comment.) Since we don’t know what happened in this case, why did you give Kelly the benefit of the doubt, but not Chris Brown? Is it because he is male and she is female? Because you also lead off with “what is wrong with the men (and boys??) that live in this world”, as though only males are violent. It may be true that more often a male is the aggressor, but there are many violent women also.
I AM NOT trying to make excuses for whatever happened, as I don’t even know what happened, and I think that it is hard to justify violence. But I think it is unfair to make blanket statements about a whole sex like that. (Change it from “men” to “black men” and see what kind of response you get.)
Also, I understand that sometimes people DO lose control of their emotions, and, unfortunately, do resort to physical actions they may later regret. This is different from an abusive domestic situation where there are aspects of control involved (similar to rape), and the abuse is continuing. Not only in this case, but I think it is unfair to always characterize physical violence between a domestic couple as an abusive relationship.
And if I were hit by someone, why should I get less sympathy or protection from the law because it wasn’t in a domestic relationship?
Mandee, sorry if I came across as attacking your position, I don’t mean to. I am truly wondering why your reactions between the 2 stories seems inconsistent.
They’re young. They have a lot of growing up to do. What more needs to be said?
I too believe that Kelly Osbourne did the right thing when she slapped that reporter. I DON’T agree though, that someone who is in a relationship with you or claims to “love you” or have feelings for you, should abuse you…whether you are a child, woman OR a man, you shouldn’t have to live like that. At least if it is someone else, you can just leave…it’s not that easy to leave a relationship and it’s definately even harder for a child who CAN’T leave abusive parents.
M.o.o., Mandee’s very touchy. I was just asking her to clarify her statement and she jumped all over my questions, jumping in a very rude way to the conclusion that I thought she was condoning his actions.
“(Change it from �men�� to �black men�� and see what kind of response you get.) ”
is a very rude thing to say. i am not racist, nor do i agree with people that are. im not stating that you are, but that was a really low blow. and about kelly, i basically said i wasnt sure if i agreed with what kelly did, but i said maybe when youre being egged on, you cant control yourself. men are generally stronger than women are(physically), so i do disagree with a man hitting a woman. i do not disagree so much with a man hitting another man, or a woman another woman(depending on the reason) and, back to what i was saying before, i was raised that men do not under any circumstances hit women. and thats the rule im sticking by. i didnt stay with anyone that abused me, but i also know that the ones that did, grew up with their dads treating their moms or girlfriends the same way. and alan, im sorry if it seemed like im very touchy (im not) and im sorry if it seemed like i was being rude, but i read your note to be rude towards me with your “So what? Would that make it excusable?” comment. maybe if you chose to pick your words more carefully next time, i wouldnt feel the need to defend myself? and thanks for explaining what you meant, my own opinion.
Mandee – would you agree with physical abuse in a gay relationship? I agree that men are generally physically stronger than women, but that is a very touchy subject when we live a world that is trying to support human choices and freedoms. Is it safe to say that in your eyes, abuse would be justified due to situation in a gay relationship be it two women or two men? I am not attacking, just wondering.
Mandee, first my point about the changing “men” to “black men” was not meant in a racist way, but to point out that there is often a huge response of “racism” whenever race is mentioned (see the the autograph story from a few days ago), and yet the overgeneralization of linking all men and physical abuse seems to be largely accepted. I think my point is fair, especially in the light that no one else seemed to care that you lumped all men into the same category, whether you did it intentionally or not.
Also, I know that you weren’t saying you agreed with what Kelly did, but you were essentially saying there could have been provocation. So, essentially, it is okay for a woman to be “provoked” into violence, but not okay for a man to be, at least towards a woman? So what if a man is generally stronger? Are you saying that is okay for him to be in an abusive situation? As you say, “why would ANYONE think that abuse, of any kind, should be ok?!?” It is NOT okay for ANYONE to be abused, so I can’t agree with you believing that there is a difference just because it is a man or woman giving/receiving the abuse.
And Robyn certainly brings up a very good point about gay relationships. Or, what about emotional abuse, in which physical strength doesn’t matter?
i said i do not agree with any type of abuse. im not saying its ok for a gay man to beat his boyfriend, im saying if 2 men get into one fight (weather or not they know eachother) it isnt that big of a deal. if its a thing where they are constantly hitting someone, it is. and i wasnt implying that EVERY man hits a woman in their life, i was just stating what is wrong with the ones that do. because if you think about it, we have womens shelters for them to get away from their abuser…if it was as common for gay men, or straight men to be abused by their significant other then there would be abused shelters, instead of womens. im not saying it cant/wont/doesnt happen. im just saying these people need to speak up more and get some help. in kellys case, she didnt know the girl, she wasnt continuously hurting her, all she did was slap her. so i dont see whats so wrong with it, even though i dont personally agree with violence of any kind, i do not find it wrong depending on the situation. and youre right, emotional/verbal abuse is just as bad, if not worse, because broken bones and bruises do heal, usually emotional problems dont. i can see where youre getting these questions from, but i wasnt thinking about every aspect when i posted, i only posted my thoughts as soon as i had them. i do disagree with any kind of abuse imaginable, BUT can getting into one fight with your best friend, or a total stranger actually be considered ABUSE??
Mandee, in response to “can getting into one fight with your best friend, or a total stranger actually be considered ABUSE??”, I would say no. And then I would ask, should getting into one fight with your domestic partner be considered abuse? As I said in my first post, I think an abusive relationship has elements of repetition and power. If a domestic partner hits someone out of anger or loss of control, I don’t think it is necessarily abuse, and shouldn’t be automatically labelled that.
well, i will call it abuse anytime anyone EVER hits their significant other. regardless. mainly because you are more than twice as likely to hit her again, if she can egg you on bad enough for you to hit her once, clearly that wont be the only time.
Exactly mandee. That is why I don’t think this is the first time Chris has ever “abused” Rihanna. It just seems too severe for being a ‘first time’…and from what is being reported on the entertainment shows, it seems they are getting down to the nitty gritty and we are slowly finding out just how abusive he really has been over this past year. I hope this is a wake up call for him because he’s not only lost the respect of alot of his fans but of his colleagues, present and future business ventures.
thanks nancy !!!! im glad SOMEONE finally AGREES with what im saying ! lol. besides, usually when a man gets CAUGHT hitting his girlfriend/wife, its clearly been going on for a long time and he just cant seem to control it anymore.