Airline boots “way fat” director from plane
By Alexandra Heilbron on February 17, 2010 | 63 Comments
Cop Out director Kevin Smith was asked to get off a Southwest Airlines last weekend. He’d originally bought two seats for his original flight from Oakland, but when he tried to catch an earlier flight on standby, there was only one seat available. Smith says he was able to put both armrests down and buckle his seat belt, as per Southwest’s safety requirement, but he was still asked to leave. The director twittered about the incident, saying, “I know I’m fat, but was Captain Leysath really justified in throwing me off a flight for which I was already seated? I flew out in one seat, but right after issuing me a standby ticket, Oakland Southwest attendant Suzanne told me Captain Leysath deemed me a “safety risk”. Again: I’m way fat… But I’m not THERE just yet. But if I am, why wait til my bag is up, and I’m seated WITH ARM RESTS DOWN. In front of a packed plane with a bunch of folks who’d already I.d.ed me as “Silent Bob.” Smith and has since received numerous apologies from the airline, on Twitter, on their website and in a phone call, during which the airline promised to refund Smith’s airfare. ~Alexandra Heilbron
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Wanna go to court for aggravated damages Kevin? I’ll represent you, no charge! I’m serious… lol
discrimination is disgusting, humiliating (for everyone involved) and hurtful. when will the world start treating people as equals rather than looking at their weight, sexual preference, race, religion (etc) before choosing whether or not they have the right to be treated with respect. people disgust me. i feel terrible for “silent bob”. hes not even THAT big. i hope he chooses to use a different airline from now on. i dont think its right that the airlines can make people that are overweight pay for two seats. should petite people only have to pay half price for the one seat they get because they take up less room than an average person does? he should sue, maybe he could have his own private jet when hes done.
Very well said Mandee,I totally agree with you!
I wish the airlines would actually make seats that FIT “average people” — that is umm… the other 85% of us!!!
I am 6″ 3′ ; and I have problems “fitting” in these seats ; just the “other way” so to speak. Knees in the butt of the person in front of me!!!
You have to wonder..
D
Totally agree, David! I myself am 6’1″. I don’t care about spelling errors and that but thank you SO MUCH for the laugh, David. I’m picturing you being 6 inches 3 feet, hahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Mandee: I agree with you, as well. People in this world just need something to constantly complain about. In this case, it was Mr. Smith’s size. Like David said, these planes need to be built to the specific needs of the “average” people. The majority of people are not 5’6″, 115 lbs. Take a man as above, 6’3″…I’d say a man of that height is most likely to be around 200 lbs, give or take, depending on muscle, etc. All these airlines think about when having a plane built is fitting more seats in and still being able to keep the plane at a safe flying weight. But, who is actually 115 lbs nowadays…except someone who is 6 inches, 3 feet, LMFAO!
I love Kevin Smith love his movies (jay & Silent Bob)
But this is what it comes down to, SKIP A MEAL , your fat why should I pay full price if I get a half seat, if your fat body is hanging over into my seat your first train of though should be “hey wait maybe I should not eat that burger, or excersie no your first though is to yell discrimination.
Funny thing is Avg use to fit ppl in planes, now it doesn’t hhmm wonder why, bc avg has gone up 25lb, bc more ppl are fat now, simple as that…why should we bend to your compalsion to eat..eat and EAT more..
and don’t give me the “I’ve tried everything to lose weight, yeah except not eating….it’s a discease thats why i’m fat…no cancers a discease, your just a person who doesn’t know when to NOT put that chocolate bar in your mouth
i’m 6ft 230lb not fat I take care of my self work out, and I can fit into those seats, yes I’m squished in but at least i fit….
Hi Nancy
with love: M>P.
well, M>p has a good point, but at the same time, what are they to do, really? Is there a certain weight, and do they get the scales out in front of everyone to ensure that person doesn’t meet the criteria of a one-seater? The thing is, M>p is correct that people are much bigger now, but if, for example, you were on a drug that made you gain (which I have been in the past, since off that particular med and lost MOST of the weight) is that fair? Some steroids (the legal ones) make you gain quite a bit sometimes. So should someone have to pay extra if that is the case. There are too many “what if” scenarios for them to enforce someone to buy two seats. AND, if he had the tickets for two seats, why did they let him on in the first place. The attendants who allow people on the plane should be better educated so this type of embarrassment wouldn’t happen to begin with if that is how the airlines want to work.
I agree with all of you. But there are some people who do require 2 seats, and I hate to say this, but I feel that those people should have to pay for 2 seats. The airline is a business, they are there to make money, and they charge so much per seat, so if a person wants/needs 2 seats, why should the airline only charge for one seat?
I agree, Tributegirl. If someone is hanging over into the seat next to them, then I can see having to pay for 2 seats and as Carol said, they shouldn’t have exchanged his 2 seats for 1 seat. With the height issue, NO ONE can control how tall or short they are and we tall people need more leg room!
Hi, Maxi pad!!
Bottom line is HE PAID for 2 seats,somebody screwed-up and embarrassing him was UNCALLED FOR!!!BTW there are many MEDICAL problems that cause a person to gain weight,NOT just over eating!!!Kidney failure,thyroid,depression meds,asthma inhalers,heart meds,Toxic liver, just to name a few!!
He did pay for two seats..that’d almost be enough to get him first-class seating, and more room.
M>p. on February 17, 2010 7:45 PM youre a pretty disgusting person. you, and people like you, are what is wrong with the world. it shouldnt be any of your business if someone is fat. and for all you know it COULD be a medical problem that causes them to be fat (thyroid “discease”) for ONE example. and carol is right, there are TONS of meds people NEED that cause weight gain. so should this be considered THEIR fault that they are gaining weight? when the doctor thought i had liver disease he told me there was a pill he could give me i would have to take for life but that i would gain about 10-20lbs a YEAR being on it. the only thing that would have cured me clearly would have made me REALLY FAT by the time i was even just 50 years old. luckily, turned out there was nothing wrong with my liver. anyway, im sure there are a lot of people that find you as disgusting as you find fat people. everyone has the right to be treated with respect, i dont care what size they are. i really doubt you take good care of yourself like you say you do. you sure sound like a fatty to me.
tributegirl on February 17, 2010 8:58 PM i do agree with this comment, nancys, gypsys and demigods.
“i really doubt you take good care of yourself like you say you do. you sure sound like a fatty to me.”
Mandee: Frig, crack me up first thing!! LMAO!
dear Mandee, your right I feel shame now, if I could only know what it’s like to be fat be in there shoes, hanging over the edge’s of there shoes, to know what it’s like to not have ankles but cankles, to understand that asking for 2nds is not there fault but a medical issue, and that eating keeps the fatty disease at bay. to look at a deep fried Mars bar and say to myself, it’s not my fault, it’s nottt myyy faaaulllt… to drive by gyms and say, no excerise won’t help me but Mcdonals will.
a pill that will make you gain 20lbs a yr….uummm yeah is that pill skittles or M&M’s your talking about.
skip a meal!!!!!
i call em like i see em nancy 😀
you call them like you see them….can you see your feet?
ohhh, i see what youre implying. since i called you fat and since im TOLERANT of other people i MUST be fat too? lol. when someone calls you a name, if you want to insult them try calling them something NEW that they didnt use against you. and yes, i see my feet every single day, multiple times a day. too bad youve never seen your AHEM OR your feet. (use your imagination to what you AHEM might be, since i dont want to come off TOO crude).
when I implyed “were you able to see your feet” I didn’t mean in pictures or in a memory.
I don’t understand this thing your saying “using what they already said against you….maybe it’s bc I’m like an advanced human, i fuel myself with protiens and good carbs, I do these amazing feats like get out of my chair without being out of breath, or be able to tie my shoes and see my shoes when I do it. I’ve even gone to these crazy places where they have machines to run on. have you ever seen the inside of a gym I bet not. I picture you 5’4 210lb sitting at your computer out of breath bc you had to raise your arm to your mouth to feed your self that “2nd lunch. “but it says low calories” yeah if you eat 1 not 10!!!
If I was fat(as you say i am) wouldn’t I be more understanding?
WOW you got me I’m fat and im trying to hide it by being mean to other fat ppl, I was actualy just looking into a mirror and seen my reflection, i’m crying on the inside, will you not help me blossom into a beatiful butterfly, and except that a Big Mac is a good idea. not sure what to do, do I try the “no inpact workout”(bc heaven forbid I actual break a sweat from moving) or the hollywood diet (lose 10 lbs overnight) no my self esteem is so low, I need to build it up, wait ….yes thats it I’ll go to the beach and make fun of fat ppl, damn, they’ll know i’m fat to i’ll leave my shirt on in the hot 100 degree sun that way no one will know i’m just another fat kid wearing a T-shirt at the beach.
Nancy question for you does Mandee who I am(nice spelling of your name, way cool the way you throw around those extra E’s)
WOW you got me I’m fat and im trying to hide it by being mean to other fat ppl, I was actualy just looking into a mirror and seen my reflection, i’m crying on the inside, will you not help me blossom into a beatiful butterfly, and except that a Big Mac is a good idea. not sure what to do, do I try the “no inpact workout”(bc heaven forbid I actual break a sweat from moving) or the hollywood diet (lose 10 lbs overnight) no my self esteem is so low, I need to build it up, wait ….yes thats it I’ll go to the beach and make fun of fat ppl, damn, they’ll know i’m fat to i’ll leave my shirt on in the hot 100 degree sun that way no one will know i’m just another fat kid wearing a T-shirt at the beach.
Nancy question for you does Mandee not know who I am(nice spelling of your name, way cool the way you throw around those extra E’s)
WOW you got me I’m fat and im trying to hide it by being mean to other fat ppl, I was actually just looking into a mirror and saw my reflection, i’m crying on the inside, will you not help me blossom into a beautiful butterfly, and accept that a Big Mac is a good idea. not sure what to do, do I try the “no impact workout”(because heaven forbid I actually break a sweat from moving) or the hollywood diet (lose 10 lbs overnight) no my self esteem is so low, I need to build it up, wait ….yes thats it I’ll go to the beach and make fun of fat ppl, damn, they’ll know i’m fat too, i’ll leave my shirt on in the hot 100 degree sun that way no one will know i’m just another fat kid wearing a T-shirt at the beach.
Nancy question for you, does Mandee know who I am(nice spelling of your name, way cool the way you throw around those extra E’s)
How the hell would I know who knows who on here? Do you know Mandee? Btw, if ‘Mandee’ is her real name, she’s not the one who spelled it…her parents are. Anyways, I have enough fights of my own and I’m quite enjoying the breather from that for a moment. Just kickin back eatin’ M&M’s, hahaha!!
I just think it doesn’t matter who is overweight and who is not and for what reason they are/aren’t. It’s their life and not yours…and like I said, as long as they are not hanging over into YOUR seat, it’s really none of your damn business!
lol, this is quite the debate. So, should they pay extra or not? But really, once they are seated on the plane, they should not be embarrassed and escorted off, there has to be a better way to do this IF someone is a two seater person.
max>p on February 18, 2010 6:50 PM at least youre finally ready to ADMIT that youre a fatty. perhaps you should seek counseling for that self esteem issue. mandee isnt my birth name, i chose 2 e’s for my spelling because a simple y is boring. here, read this definition (came across it well after i chose the spelling of my nickname, back when i was 13)
The spelling of Mandee is said to come from a mishmash of words: the original one-deelight-deelicious-deevious- and deevoted. All the hottest dee words around come together without explanation with the more common and absolutely ordinary version �Mandy�� to form �Mandee�� the most f***kin�� boss chica around.
try to prove it wrong 😛
Nancy on February 18, 2010 8:28 PM very very well said.
Carol on February 18, 2010 9:04 PM i agree if someone has already been seated on the plane theres NO NEED to humiliate them in front of EVERYONE. they could have asked to him come speak to someone else and told him in private, or they could have simply left him where he was (when the people on either side were fine with him being there).
If airlines are to be serious addressing this problem, it should be determined if a person is too big at the point of purchasing a ticket -maybe take a measurement lol
I can’t see the stewardess or captain coming over once everyone has been seated, and asking the people sitting on either side of said person,’Are you ok with this fat fat fattie spilling over your armrest and seat? If not, we’ll escort the fat tub-of-lard off the plane.’
According to a interview I heard on the radio,he has challenged any airline. Specifically the one that booted him off,to bring a couple of seats from the airplane to a late night talk show he’ll be on.There will be a live demonstration,of him fitting safely into ONE of their seats!He also stated that if he doesn’t fit safely,that he’ll donate 10 thousand dollars to any charity of the airways choice!
The rat was a stewardess!!!
Mandee, if you believe all people deserve respect in spite of physical appearance or other things, then why are you calling M>P a “fatty”. You obviously are trying to insult him, and by the use of “fatty” you show you believe it is an insulting term and are showing your true belief there IS something wrong with being fat. That you make fun of him for not seeing his feet or his “AHEM” (I’m sure Nancy was LMFAO’ing over that one)and that you vehemently deny you yourself are fat shows that it really DOES matter to you what a person looks like. By trying to denigrate M>P using the word fatty, you yourself are insulting overweight people.
Silver: “That you make fun of him for not seeing his feet or his “AHEM”(I’m sure Nancy was LMFAO’ing over that one)”
Actually, no…I didn’t. Just goes to show what you know. I am though, “LMFAO’ing” at you, because IN MY OPINION, you know squat!
silver on February 19, 2010 9:15 AM nope, i sure have nothing against fat people. the REASON i called him “fatty” is because i know HE is disgusted by fat people and to HIM it would be deemed as an insult and that it would really bother him. clearly you dont know me at all and you should spend more time reading comments i make and then perhaps you will understand why i say the things i say. BY THE WAY where is your comment on THE ARTICLE? its pretty obvious you come here just to pick fights with people.
Nancy on February 19, 2010 10:27 AM i agree with you. i wonder if that means we arent tolerant of people that dont know anything?
You are right Mandeee, I didn’t comment on the article. So here it is:
I originally heard the report that the Captain asked for his removal for safety reasons. But I haven’t seen any explanation or commentary on that. I would like to know if there was a legitimate safety concern (such as him being seated next to the wing exit).
Also, the original quote I saw from him elsewhere was that he knew he would get one seat, and not two, on the flight when he changed to standby. He said he had bought two tickets on his outbound flight so that no one would sit next to him and bother him. That in itself seems a little ironic.
And actually I don’t come here to pick a fight. I’m just giving MY OPINION. (where have I heard that before?)
Haa HAA HAAAAAAAAAA I’m done trolling this article Mandee, I’ll see you and Nancy again.
With love from your friendly neigborhood Max Powers!!!!
P>S. your fat
picking specifically on something i said to someone else isnt considered an “opinion” its considered picking a fight. about your comment on the article, i enjoyed reading your comment and i could understand if he was blocking an exit or something that actually WAS considered a safety issue. (although how he could have been blocking something that a smaller person wouldnt have also been blocking doesnt seem to make any sense to me).
I think it was very unfortunate for him to be treated that way… he doesn’t look that big to me! At least he seems to be taking it with a pinch of good humour.
Also, I just thought i’d point out that if nobody commented on others’ posts, there would be hardly any discussing and/or “picking fights”. Most people on here do it, nobody can pretend they’re innocent.
when did i “pretend” im “innocent” ? im simply stating that people who come on here ONLY to pick fights are pretty sad.
Gypsy (Feb 17, 2010 @ 11:04)
Sorry, but I’m a heatlth care provider and only 1% of obesity is the result of a medical condition. The other 99% is a mixed bag: a means of control, poor coping skills or a love/addiction of rich food (for many, a habit which started with the parents). Several patients I’ve met over the years took drastic measures to lose weight i.e. – gastric bypass surgery – but continued to consume very high caloric food, only in smaller and more frequent portions. The result would be some weight loss, but without reaching their goal. Still, one has to be compassionate with these people…their’s is a difficult, unhealthy and much shortened lifespan.
Without this getting nasty,you keep believing and preaching what you’ve been taught!!I’ll keep living with the major screw-ups by so called health care providers,and have witnessed many ,many health care screw-ups,not to mention the COVER-UPS by all the so called compassionate health care people!!!It was a by the book,stats non wavering total of 12 so called professional,compassionate health care workers,on 2 different occasions that screwed up my life completely!!!!Your words,books,stats and thought process add up to a whopping big ZERO,in my eyes!!!!
as far as im concerned just because someone hasnt FOUND a medical problem with these obese problems, it doesnt mean they dont still have a medical problem that is contributing to their weight. first of all, i doubt ANY doctor has done a thorough exam on their patients. look at how long it took to find out that blocked arteries in the neck were what caused MS. i mean, people were SUFFERING for how many years? the only reason the blocked arteries were even found was because a doctors wife got MS and he wanted to help HER she he checked every inch of her body. clearly if doctors LISTENED to their patients and did more to try to help them (rather than only working as a doctor to make money) there would be a lot of medical problems that turn out to be simple things such as block arteries. skye, did you personally scan, ultrasound etc EVERY inch of these peoples bodies? did you do every blood test imaginable to be CERTAIN that there was nothing they could do about being fat? because the body is a strange thing and no one can EVER be THAT sure that whats wrong with someone isnt a medical problem, i dont understand why people are demanding its not. my sister, for instance, has had numerous problems her entire life, they are still going on. im not going to list them or anything, but a lot of them point to cancer and other life threatening diseases. funny thing is, doctor after doctor, specialist after specialist they ALL say they cant find anything wrong with her. BUT clearly there IS something wrong with her or she wouldnt have so many problems. do you not agree, doc?
“The other 99% is a mixed bag: a means of control, poor coping skills or a love/addiction of rich food (for many, a habit which started with the parents).”
What about slender people who have these same habits and eat these same foods? I think that for the majority of people, it’s all in their genes what size they will become. Some can change their size, either bigger or smaller, but it mostly depends on family history and metabolism. Some medications do make you gain weight and several medical problems and medications prevent one from exercising and eating properly. Income also plays a part in what foods one eats. How busy a person is would make them consume unhealthy foods and prevent exercise and how bored/depressed a person is may increase consumption as well. I don’t believe that parents are necessarily to blame. I’ve seen some really thin people eat a LOT of food, not exercise and not gain an ounce whereas others eat a little food, only exercise a little and still be overweight.
I think it is more than 1%. My sister started to gain weight some years ago (she had a slender body before) and she’s a health freak. The doctors said it was her thyroid, but now they think it has something to do with a complication during her pregnancy! I also think that sometimes if the doctors have no idea what’s going on, they make something up. In my opinion, weight gain has many different factors in it.
Plus, i’m in university and i’ve seen many of the so called “doctors”. They scare me.
Nancy on February 20, 2010 2:27 PM well said.
Red on February 20, 2010 3:44 PM sorry about your sister. i like your comment.
Obesity is highest in North America. Draw your own conclusions.
Of these postings: Wow… the lack of critical thinking skills, emotionally charged comments and aggressive responses just simply floors me. I couldn’t believe how the doc’s comment drew such venimous reaction from a few…so much anger. He/she was just stating statistics. But you can’t tell me that of all the ppl out there who are obese, the greater part is caused by a medical condition. If that’s the case, then there are alot of sick people walking around out there.
where was i “emotionally charged” “aggressively responding”? or where do you see in my posts “lack of critical thinking skills”? anything is possible. too many people are closed minded when it comes to things like weight, race, religion, sexual preference, etc. to attack someone based on anything more than their personality is childish, petty, rude, hateful, hurtful, discriminating and just plain wrong. i can understand if you talked to someone that was over weight (by SOCIETYS STANDARDS) and they had a really terrible, mean attitude for you to attack them, but to attack them because you dont like the way THEY LOOK? didnt we learn how to respect one anothers differences in like, grade 1? i sure know i did.
for you to attack them WITH YOUR WORDS i mean. dont take that sentence to have meant you can physically harm them.
I think the posts clearly SHOW critical thinking. we’re not just sticking with statistics! There is always a grey area, and we are pointing out the different cases in that grey area!
Of course I would get “emotionally charged” if someone called my sister fat because she overeats! People take a quick look and say “she’s fat because she eats too much”. WTF, people have NO idea what’s going on in these peoples’ lives well enough to pass so quick a judgment.
very well said Red !
Oh man…this is one interesting post. Time for a reality check everyone. First of all, I’m overweight (DON’T – CALL – ME – FAT!). 282lbs to be exact. At 5’1″, I know I look like a basketball on short legs. But you know something? I don’t give a flying fcuk what people think or say (including my family)about me. I’ve chosen my friends carefully. They too are “plump” and we enjoy each others company way better than you skinny fashionistas…cause we have nothing in common with you. I lost alot of weight at one time and got down to 135 lbs. But, I didn’t enjoy life at all. I love my food too much, I’m a one helluva cook and I got sick and tired of eating like a rodent. I’ve been told I’m borderline diabetic, high blood pressure, borderline this and borderline that! Well, so what? Better to have a shorter happy life than a long miserable one. Hell, even my dog’s “volumptous” but she’s happy. AND THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS! And Dr. Oz?….you can go to hell (I’ll even give you directions).
Right now my dog and I are enjoying a nuked buttertart with with a blob of Cool Whip on top. Ummm umm umm ….cheers people!!
olive oyl, lol. i like your comment 😀 im not skinny. i dont claim to be. i think food is lovely. and i never had a butter tart with cool whip. hope its great ! i like the pecan tarts !
Mandee: Try it with the Cool Whip. Nuke it in a bowl for about 40 sec. on medium high – it makes the filling runny and oh so good. Throw Cool Whip on top and voila. Watch you don’t burn your mouth though, like I did – when heated up, sugar can be like molten lava.
Bon Apetit
thanks, ill keep that in mind next time i have some tarts 😀 and oh no lol. i can imagine how hot it was !!! i like them frozen too (the plain butter tarts) yum.
Olive Oyl,you have an amazing attitude!No doubt you are a beautiful person,both outside and in.I bet your a blast to party with.I’m like Mandy,love pecan tarts.Gonna get some tomorrow and try your recipe,sounds delicious!Take Care!
Olive Oyl,how much weight did you lose when you dropped to 135lbs? And what did it take to do it? Just curious.
Demigod: I started at 246lbs, so I lost 111 lbs. I became diabetic (I was pretty sick by the time it was diagnosed) and had to go on insulin – hated that! My dietitian told me that if I lost the weight, I would most likely come off the insulin – she said that fat cells hang onto insulin and therefore it’s not used properly. So, I went on a 1200 – 1500 calorie diabetic diet (basically a common sense food guide – noooo sugar). It took over a year to do it, but I lost it and stopped taking insulin.
I’m now back on a larger dose of insulin but I’m enjoying my food now.
Olive Oyl Feb 21 @ 5:49 PM – “I’ve been told I’m borderline diabetic, high blood pressure, borderline this and borderline that!”
Olive Oyl Feb 22 @ 7:00 PM – “I became diabetic (I was pretty sick by the time it was diagnosed) and had to go on insulin – hated that!” “It took over a year to do it, but I lost it and stopped taking insulin.” “I’m now back on a larger dose of insulin but I’m enjoying my food now.”
Not to be rude, but, ummmm…which is it….are you “borderline diabetic” or are you “pretty sick” and “on insulin” diabetic?
Are you sure your name isn’t Max Powers? Hahahaha.
FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN ASKING lol. i had my hamburger today, thats what we made for supper. was clearly premature because it hurt the one side and i had a big chunk stuck in the hole (that i clearly ripped the stitches out of the first day because its a big hole that hasnt tried to close while the other side is almost healed).
…Nancy can’t come to the computer right now, she’s ROFLMFAO!!
lmao, congrats mandee! On the hamburger, that is! Not on the hole!
So……which is it, Olive Oyl?
thanks tg. im not sure the side where i ripped the stitches is going to close at all. my dad and sister both have a spot where theirs didnt close up because of the stitches coming out too soon. i bled a lot the second day, so im pretty sure that was when i lost the stitches. (as it was only on the side with the big gaping hole that bled!) kind of gross, but what can ya do? the side that appears to be healing really well has been really hurting the last 2 days. also, my lymph nodes on that side started hurting again. i wonder if its getting infected. i might call tomorrow to see if they can check me again. take care all.
Idk Mandee, I’m starting to think you’re a hypochondriac. Kidding 😛
lmfao, im pretty sure i am. 😛 for the most part. but the swelling and pain is supposed to be gone by now.